So I am a fan of ultra-light and compact backpacking for multiday excursions. I have used the MSR PocketRocket for a pretty long time now. It used to fit inside some lightweight aluminum pots I had, then I switch to the Sea to Summit X-pot and kettle which the cups and bowls nest inside of.
I've always wondered about the Jetboil systems, but they are HUGE in comparison to the gear I normally carry. I know they are super fast and more efficient with fuel, but is the extra space really worth it for a few minutes of cook time and a few grams of fuel? The equipment I have already worked incredibly fast as it is, I'm not even sure I would want it to cook or boil any faster.
I do want to try the system, but I really feel I would never carry it anywhere. Just looking for some insight and personal options/experiences with the Jetboil systems.
@OldGuyot truly grateful for the amount of effort and the insight you put into this! Extremely useful information that I will use in my quest to fine cuisine in the backcountry. Thank you so much for sharing this with all of us! 🙂
You went through that pretty thoroughly, I just have a couple of thoughts...
I wouldn't miss the ignitor, because I always carry a full size bic. Arthritis makes the mini bic a tough sell. Not sure how much weight an ignitor adds, but for gram weenies it might be too much, if they're carrying an ignition source anyway.
The 3 or so extra ounces over my PR2/Toaks light 650 combo wouldn't be that big of deal on short trips, but once again, for gram weenies it might be a huge deal.
If the fuel consumption is actually a lot better, I might be better off over week-10day trips, because I could get by with 110 gr canister instead of 220, which also fits inside (apparently) both the 650 pot or the stash. I say apparently, because I have trouble finding 110 canisters in my area, but 220's are everywhere. I believe I've owned one 110 gr canister in my life. So for me, it's a tossup. I'm probably carrying a 220, which doesn't fit in either. I'll have to look to see exactly what the empty canister weight difference is between the two, but I can't imagine it's much. I do know my empty 220 canisters weigh 140-145 grams FWIW. I do calculate fuel usage before trips, and add a safety margin. I have a device to transfer fuel between canisters, so I'm not taking a huge amount of extra fuel.
Some of the reviews I've read say that it's not a very adjustable flame on the stash, but others contradict that. It doesn't matter to me as I only heat water for coffee or freezer bag meals anyway.
As I read more about it, it becomes more interesting. I'm still happy with my Toaks 650 and PR2, so it's hard for me to justify the cost "just to see" if I'd like it better. If I hadn't already invested in a stove and pot, I would have to seriously consider the stash, especially if I could find 110gr canisters.
@SILHikerObviously designs vary but the igniter adds ~0.3oz (8.5g) and $5 retail to my Soto Amicus stove vs the version that doesn't have it. Even for a gram weeny that's in the weeds. A mini BIC weighs more. I just don't see an excuse for not putting one on the Stash for the price point. The Amicus illustrates that there is no excuse for either charging a lot more or for adding lots of weight and given that, the convenience and insurance in case you forget your lighter far outweighs the arguments for not having it. They just need to design it to be easily replaceable since it is a service item. However unlike, say, seals on white gas stoves it does not prevent the stove from working provided you carry a back fire starting method, which you should.
Yeah, that ain't much difference either way. I wonder what kind of weight difference they could get by switching out that aluminum pot for Ti?
Overall, it's caught my interest in spite of the weight difference, mainly because of the fuel usage difference. Like I've said, I'm happy with my setup, and it works for me. Until this came up, the only thing I had thought about was getting an inverted canister stove for my dead of winter hikes, which around here is probably between 0-30 F.
How many stoves/pots will my wife allow before throwing me out?
@SILHiker Wrote, “How many stoves/pots will my wife allow before throwing me out?”
Answer: at least one more!
Just to let you know, this inspired me to buy a jetboil flash, haha! I'm so excited for it to arrive and try it out. Thank again for sharing your experience with everyone! 🙂
I don't have a pocket rocket, but I do have jetboil mightymo stove. I LOVE it because I like to COOK, and not just rehydrate. This is not a jetboil "system" but just the stove. I use different pots with it depending on if I am backpacking, or on my harley traveling. I have had this thing for years, and it is the only stove y harley won't shake the guts out of. I have now pulled the trigger on the jetboil stash, waiting for it to get here in the mail.