Im looking for a new pair of shoes but for obvious reasons (Covid) I cant come in and try any on. Im looking for a solid pair of running/trail shoes. I have essentially flat feet, a little wide too. I have loved my Brooks Adrenaline but they wore out pretty quick, would like a pair that are slightly more rugged, but comfortable for my strange feet. Waterproof is a bonus but not necessary.
I ask because I recently bought Brooks Cascadia, but they feel too confining and maybe not the correct support
Sorry you're having difficulty finding the right pair of running shoes!
I find that the Brooks Cascadia is roomy for my wide forefoot, but snug in the midfoot where your arch is flat, so that could be the reason why you feel the fit isn't right.
For road running shoes, we often talk about pronation, and how a shoe can be designed to support the natural gait of a runner who over-pronates. On the trail, the lateral motion you make when stepping over rocks and roots, plus the more frequent changes in stride length don't allow those over-pronation devices to do their job well, so trail running shoes aren't grouped by "neutral" or "support." It's important to think about stability instead, which can come from the level of cushioning, or the rigidity within the shoe itself.
Some trail running shoes come in waterproof versions which can help with wet weather, mud, snow, and warmth. But the waterproofing in these shoes only goes about an inch near the cuff of the shoe, so if it's really wet or muddy or snowy, your feet will get wet. And, just as waterproof shoes keep water out, they also hold onto moisture if it gets into the shoe. Therefore, many runners choose to wear non-waterproof shoes to let water drain. It's also well to note that most waterproof trail running shoes don't come in wide widths.
To that end, here's a couple of suggestions:
Hoka Speedgoat 4: This high-cushion shoe comes in wide widths, features a Vibram Mega-Grip outsole for excellent traction, and provides a stable platform for running. It also comes in a Gore-Tex waterproof version in a normal width.
Salomon XA Pro 3D V8 GTX: These waterproof trail runners have excellent stability and feature Salomon's quick lace system which can help you dial in an accommodating fit without having the feel of loose laces on your shoe. Salomon uses a plastic shank, which they call the "3D Chassis" which helps diffuse the impact of rocks under your shoe, and control your footstep. It's the same stable chassis used in some of their hiking boots.
Altra Lone Peak 4 RSM: Altra is known for its foot-shaped wide toebox, which might be suitable for your wider feet. The RSM in the name stands for Rain, Snow, Mud, indicating the shoe's eVent waterproofing, and has long been a choice for runners looking to run and hike quickly and securely over technical terrain.
I hope these ideas help! If you have more questions, you can let us know here. We also offer a personal virtual outfitting service should you wish to speak one-on-one with a footwear expert.
@tfurtado You might also look at Topo Athletics. They have the wide toe box with a narrower heel and all levels of cushioning. Personally I like their MT-3s for trail and the ST-3 for road running.
DogMom beat me to it! I was a Brooks Adrenaline ASR fan for a long time (although later models had issues with rubber crumbling off the sole). I tried the Cascadia but it was too narrow in the toe box. Same with Salomon - plus their kevlar-lace didn't work for me. Tried Altra and Hoka. Altra was the better of the two for me, but neither really worked well and I didn't like the extra cushion of the Hokas. I like a firmer ride, like the ASR's provided. I recently moved to Topo's MT-3 and they work well. Wider toe box, narrower heel and just the right amount of cushioning. They do not have a rock plate, so you will feel some objects on the trail. They do look a little funky from the top - Altra-ish, but not a show-stopper. Also, I usually wear a 10.5D but I had to size up to an 11 as they run short. YMMV. Best of luck to you in your search! Happy Trails!