Garmin Topo U.S. 24K DVD - Southwest

Comments about Garmin Topo U.S. 24K DVD - Southwest:

!!!!!!!!!STOP SELLING THIS SOFTWARE!!!!!!

BaseCamp software will only write waypoints and routes to a GPS device once. After that it displays the error message: "There was a problem communicating with the Garmin device." Then sure enough you can not download anything else to the GPS device. I have tried two different GPSs, the etrax 30 and the GPSMAP 62 and have found the same result.

BaseCamp also crashes a lot. It consumes all available memory, hangs then crashes especially if you give it multiple clicks; e.g., enlarging a map. If you bring up the task manager you can watch the memory usage. Note I am running Windows 7, 32 bit OS.

And yes I downloaded the latest versions for both GPS and BaseCamp.

If you google the error message you will see a lot of complaints but no solutions.

I have talked to the people in the Salt Lake Store and they have no knowledge of the problem.

!!!!!!!!!STOP SELLING THIS SOFTWARE!!!!!!

Comments about Garmin Topo U.S. 24K DVD - Southwest:

Software installs easily, nice interface with Garmin GPS units. Software is fairly easy to use. Resolution is very good (not quite as good as the NG topos but for the people who adventure in several states, this is the way to go). The only negative is the time it takes to transfer maps to the GPS unit. Make sure you allow several hours if you are transferring a lot of data.

Comments about Garmin Topo U.S. 24K DVD - Southwest:

This product contains a disc and no detailed instructions. Online help was a quagmire and did not solve installation problems. I will return this tomorrow.

Service and delivery comments:

I repeatedly sought answers on the Garmin website, and reinstalled the interface seven times without any success. The product did not mention that maps had to be unlocked, and I wasted expensive map paper printing useless, unlocked maps. The website did not recognize my devise or my maps, despite registration. What a nightmare. I will return it tomorrow. This is my second poor quality Garmin product. No more!

Comments about Garmin Topo U.S. 24K DVD - Southwest:

HOW TO USE GARMIN BASECAMPFIRST SOME PROS & CONS ABOUT BASECAMP: PROS: This is a really cool program. You can find any area on the map, blow it up to whatever size you want, print out a paper copy with UTMs and/or transfer the map to a Garmin (at least) mapping GPS, which shows you exactly where you are on the map, etc. It works great in general and is easy to use ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT. Excellent tech support is available via email ([...]) or phone. It apparently works well on Mac (OSx 10.4 or later) as well as PC (I have it on Vista). CONS: NO INSTRUCTIONS EXIST (as of Feb. 2010)! It has many, but not all, of the trails that are on USGS or Trails Illustrated topo maps (although you can compensate for this by adding "tracks," perhaps with assistance from a topo map that shows where the trails are). Apparently route lines have to at least partially be on a trail or road; they won't necessarily go exactly how you want them to. Thanks to Garmin Tech Support for providing some of the following information.USING GARMIN'S BASECAMP DVD MAPOpening the program on your computer: After the program was loaded into my PC (which has Vista) I was able to access it by going from the lower left Start button to Programs to Garmin to then being able to select BaseCamp (with the other option available being MapInstall).When the program opens and map appears, to find the geographic area of interest: move the marker for the "+" and "-" scale on the left up or down to select the size of the map you want to see (zooming in or out), while using the "compass" on the left (using your cursor to work with the middle section that has a pointer for each direction), and/or using the cursor's "hand image" on either of the two map images that appear, to move the map up or down, to right or left. If you use the mouse/cursor to "left click" on the "N", "E", "S", or "W", or click/hold/drag on the outer ring of the compass, it will reorient the map, if that is desired for viewing or printing. If you have entered a waypoint on the map and that waypoint is not visible on the area of the map that you are viewing, but it is listed on the left end, you can click on the symbol or name on the left and that area of the map will appear. After you have played with these things for awhile, you will find it easy to locate the map area of interest, and you will get an idea of how really cool this map program is.About creating waypoints: You can create and save waypoints with your GPS and then transfer them to the map on your computer. You can also create waypoints directly on your BaseCamp map on the computer, in the following manner: Once you find an area on the map where you want to create a waypoint or waypoints, you can click on "File" and go from "New" to "Waypoint." (Or where you see an image in the tool bar at the top, of either a waypoint, route, or track, you can use the mouse/cursor to activate the waypoint feature [or the route or track feature]. If the image shown is for a waypoint [a flag], click on it. If the image shown is for route or track, then click on the inverted triangle to the right of the word "New" to select waypoint.) With the waypoint feature activated, when you left click on a spot on the map, a waypoint will be created there and a symbol and number for it will appear on the left end of the screen. You can give the waypoint a name by right clicking (with PC) on the waypoint's number and selecting "rename". After creating the first waypoint you can continue to create more in the same manner. As long as you do not take the step to delete a waypoint, it seems to be automatically saved when you close the program, since it appears on the map when the program is started up again. To delete a waypoint, using the mouse, right click (with PC) on the waypoint name or number on the left end of the display screen and select "delete". If you right click (with PC) on a waypoint's name or number on the left end of the screen, the "properties" field appears, which (among other things) gives you the possibility of changing the waypoint's symbol to a different one by clicking on the inverted triangle to the right of the flag icon that is next to the word "symbol". You can turn off the waypoint mode by clicking on another toolbar symbol, like the "hand" for moving the map around. When you make waypoints on the computer map and transfer them to the GPS, they do not affect the allotted number of waypoints your GPS gives you, which only relates to waypoints you create with the GPS.Sending waypoints to the GPS: The MapInstall program will only send maps to the GPS, so other data (waypoints, etc.) is transferred through the BaseCamp program. With BaseCamp open, and the map with your selected waypoints on the screen, connect the GPS to the computer and turn the GPS on. On the left end of the screen, between "Library" and the list of your routes, should appear a "Devices" field with the name of, and an icon for, your GPS. Click/hold on a waypoint icon/name and drag it up to the GPS icon and "drop" it in. You will briefly see a little status bar showing the degree of transfer until it is complete. You can have a microSD with a map of any area in the GPS, or not have a microSD in the GPS at all, when you do this.About creating routes: You can create and save routes with your GPS and then transfer them to the map on your computer. You can also create routes directly on your BaseCamp map on the computer, in the following manner: First activate the route feature in the same way as described for waypoints. This allows you to draw routes between various points, with the cursor appearing as a pencil. Whenever you left click on the map screen it creates a "flagged" point which is one connection in the route. The lines you draw, however, appear as straight lines while you are drawing between each pair of points. It took me quite awhile to figure out how to end the process of route drawing without moving the pencil/cursor off the map page and actually closing the program. When you right click on the mouse (on PC) the process of making a route ends until you left click on a point on the map at which time the process resumes. One weird thing relates to when you are not creating a route on an actual trail or road. With some exceptions perhaps, as you create the second point the line is connected to, the straight line re-forms to go up or down to the nearest trail or road before going back up to the second point. You really just wanted a route going across country, but you end up with a route that takes you all over the place in order to utilize a trail or road. In other words, the route feature only seems to consistently work well or accurately when you are doing a route that follows a trail or road that is shown on the map. Perhaps there are some tricks to this part of the program of which I am not aware. Created routes are listed on the left side of the screen and you can right click (on a PC) on any of them and select "delete" to delete the route itself, or select "rename" to rename the route.About sending routes to the GPS: Use the same procedure described for waypoints.About creating tracks: A mapping GPS can automatically create "tracks" as you are hiking. A track appears on the GPS as a little dotted trail that shows exactly where you walked while the GPS was on. Tracks can be saved or deleted on the GPS. If they have not been deleted, they can be transferred from the GPS onto a map on the computer. You can also create tracks directly on the computer map in the following manner: In BaseCamp you activate the track feature in the same way as described for waypoints. This allows you to draw your own trail (or route) on the map that is more accurate and fluid than were you to use the route feature. The most fluid way to draw the track (on PC) is by holding the left click for the mouse as you drag it over the map to create the trail. You can also left click on separate points and a straight line (or lines) will appear to create the track between those points. You can leave track mode by right clicking the mouse. You can delete a track by right clicking on its symbol/name on the left of the screen and selecting "delete" (or select "rename" to rename the track).About sending tracks to the GPS: Use the same procedure described for waypoints.About the search feature (the image of binoculars in the toolbar along with the "Find," "near," and "containing" fields): You have to play around with the search feature to figure out how it works. It does not always work for me. I think there are some tricks to it I have not yet learned. If you initiate a search and what you want is accurately listed on the right side of the screen (perhaps along with other options), you can click on the location's name/address to reveal where it is located on the map, and then you can click on "show on map" to have the location shown in more detail. If you wish, you can also click on "add waypoint" to mark that spot on the map. (If you can not find what you want in this way, at least many locations can be found with a little patience by moving the map around and increasing or decreasing its coverage area.)About creating and using folders: With BaseCamp open and a map on the computer screen, to the left is a "Library" section with a "My Collection" folder. The folder will contain ALL of the waypoints, routes and tracks that you add to the map. You can create other folders, each of which will contain only the features you add to the map while the particular folder is open (with all of the features also being added to the "My Collection" folder). To create a new folder, click on File and go from New to Folder In Library. With a PC you can name the folder by right clicking on it with the mouse. Whenever you open one of the folders (by left clicking on it), its data is displayed on the map and at that point, if you wish, that specific data can then be transferred to your GPS. With BaseCamp open, you can delete or rename a library folder (except for "My Collection") by using your mouse's right click feature (on a PC).About transferring selected map areas from the computer to a microSD (which is connected directly to the computer with an adaptor): If you try to save map data onto the same microSD on more than one occasion, after saving the first map data, each successive "map save" erases whatever data had previously been saved on the microSD. It is easy to intentionally erase the contents of a microSD. Connect it to the computer's USB port and open the microSD. Right click [PC] on the Garmin folder icon/name and select delete.About printing out a paper map: (You can get water & tear resistant paper for printing maps at REI.) Once you have selected the approximate area you want to print out, drag down from "File" to "Print Preview" to see how the map will look on paper. It probably won't show all of the area that was on the screen, so you may need to move the map area around a little to print what you want. If you wish, you can move the map from the print preview screen with the cursor (with PC, hold down left click and move mouse), although it tends to respond slowly. Once the Print Preview shows you what you want, you can print it out while still in the Print Preview mode.As some reviewers have pointed out, the map does not have all the hiking trails that exist on the land or on USGS maps. However, you can add a trail to the map using waypoints and route lines or tracks, while perhaps working with a printed commercial topo map that shows you the trail you want to add. Thus you can make up for the map's insufficiency regarding trails.When you have made changes to a BaseCamp map and close the program, the changes seem to be saved on the program automatically (whereas MapSource gives you the option of using "save" to save the file to the MapSource program).USING GARMIN MAPINSTALL[...] The key is that you open MapInstall while BaseCamp is closed.(First add any desired waypoints, routes, or tracks, to the map of interest, with the Garmin DVD map/BaseCamp program. Then close BaseCamp.)Using an adapter, put a microSD in a USB port for your PC or Mac (or have the microSD in the GPS and connect the GPS to the computer's USB port).Open MapInstall (on my PC: "Start" > "Programs" > "Garmin" > "MapInstall")Follow the instructions from there – the process is very obvious and you are guided step-by-step, but here are a few pointers: Zoom in and out of the map until you find the area you want to transfer. Clicking on a map section on the screen selects it for transfer; if more than one section is on the screen, click on each one you want to transfer. Clicking on a map section a second time unselects it. With a little practice this process will be obvious and easy to do.MORE ABOUT TRANSFERRING DATA OTHER THAN MAPS FROM THE COMPUTER (WITH BASECAMP AND MAPSOURCE)You can transfer one or more map regions from the computer to a microSD that is connected directly to your computer. You can also transfer map regions from the computer to a microSD while it is loaded into the GPS and the GPS is connected to the computer. What neither my "eTrex HC series" manual nor the MapSource User's Manual tell you (!!!) is that waypoints, routes, and/or tracks that you create on the computer map can NOT be transferred to the microSD. They have to be transferred to the GPS itself. So if you hook the GPS up to the computer, and have a microSD card in the GPS, when you instruct the computer to transfer maps as well as waypoints, routes, and/or tracks, the map is saved on the microSD and the data besides the map is saved on the GPS. (Garmin Tech Support told me this, after I wasted a lot of time trying to transfer waypoints as well as my map selection onto microSDs connected directly to the computer.) If you have a map or map set on the microSD and the microSD is in the GPS, you can still transfer waypoints, etc., to the GPS from the computer without harming the contents of the microSD (as long as you are not ALSO transferring a map or map section[s], which would replace whatever map or map section[s] are already on the microSD). (When interfacing between the computer and the GPS, be sure the GPS is turned on and that the computer program recognizes the GPS. [For MapSource, see MapSource User's Manual, vJune 2008, p.7.])If you have waypoints (or routes/tracks) displayed on a map on the computer and transfer them all to the GPS, then add more waypoints (or etc.) to the same computer map file, that you want on the GPS, you can again transfer all of the displayed waypoints to the GPS. At that point, only the new ones will be added to the GPS (at least in the case of my Garmin HCx), since the other waypoints are already on the devise. (BaseCamp, of course, gives you the option of selecting individual waypoints/etc. to send to the GPS. Unlike with MapSource, you don't have to send all of the ones that have been created for a particular map file.) If – on the computer map - you change the properties of a waypoint that is already on the GPS (changing, for example, its name), and you again send that waypoint to the GPS, the renamed waypoint will transfer but the original version will still remain on the GPS (until you delete it) since the GPS perceives it as different from the changed version.TRANSFERRING MAPS (from the GPS/microSD) AND OTHER DATA (from the GPS) TO THE MAP PROGRAM ON THE COMPUTERTransferring maps from the microSD onto MapSource (from Garmin Tech Support): "You can transfer maps from the data card back into MapSource by checking the 'Maps' box when you connect the GPS [with the microSD in it] to the computer and select 'Receive from Device.' This will send the maps to MapSource and allow you to view which map segments are on the card. There is no way to do this in BaseCamp. And this can not be done with pre-loaded datacards."For information on transferring waypoints, routes, and/or tracks, as well as more information on transferring maps, to the computer, when using MapSource, see the MapSource User's Manual, vJune 2008, p.15.With BaseCamp is open, and you connect your GPS to the computer, waypoints, tracks and routes that are on the GPS automatically show up in the BaseCamp library. From there you can transfer them (drag and drop) to a folder that you create, which will keep them in BaseCamp after the GPS is disconnected from the computer.SAVING MAP FILES ON THE COMPUTER; BACKING UP; ETC.MapSource map files that you create with waypoints, etc., can be saved outside of the program (like in a folder on the desktop), using the program's File > Save As. (Then, if you wish, you can delete the modified map or change its name at the location of its name on the computer [using the mouse's right click feature for PC].) With BaseCamp you can do this by selecting File > Backup. Later, the first time you open BaseCamp by clicking on the name for the file that you saved on the computer, a dialogue box comes up (on a PC) with the message, "Windows Cannot Open This File." At this point, chose "Select a program from a list of installed programs" (click on "OK"), and then select BaseCamp to open the program. It will open up with the "My Collections" folder open showing all your waypoints on the program. Subsequently, when you open the program by clicking on the file name on the computer, the program will open automatically.Be sure to back up important map files that would be hard to replicate. If you think a map file that was on your program has been accidentally deleted, do a "search" on the computer to see if you can find it there somewhere.SOME INFORMATION ABOUT DELETING BASECAMP FILESLet's say you create a new folder on BaseCamp, then save it on the computer as a backup file, and then at some point later delete the folder on the BaseCamp program and close the program. If you then reopen BaseCamp by clicking on the backup file's name, when BaseCamp opens, the folder will NOT show up on the program. If you create a new folder on BaseCamp, then save it on the computer as a backup file, and then at some point later delete the backup file, the original folder will still be found on BaseCamp (at least that has been the case in my limited experience).(Some aspects related to intentionally or accidentally deleting map files from the BaseCamp program are still a mystery to me.)SOME INFORMATION ABOUT RENAMING AND DELETING MAPSOURCE FILESWhen you change the name of a MapSource map file where you had saved it on the computer, the new name doesn't show up on the MapSource program until MapSource is opened by clicking on the new file name on the computer (as opposed to opening the program with Start > Programs> Garmin> MapSource [with PC]). When you delete a map file on the computer (where it had been saved) and then open MapSource via Start > Programs etc. [with PC], the name of the file still appears on MapSource (when you click on "File"), but when you click on the name in the "File" menu to select it, a message appears saying it can't be found, and the name then disappears from the "File" menu when you close that dialogue box by selecting "OK".(There are aspects related to how file names show up or don't show up on MapSource that that are not discussed in the program's user's manual and that I don't understand. The manual does not do justice to the areas related to renaming, deleting, and saving MapSource files.)GPS (Garmin etrex Vista HCx) AND MAP USEWith a map on a MicroSD that is loaded into the GPS (with "Map Data" selected in the GPS' map menu): When you turn on the GPS it shows the portion of the map related to your location as well as a location marker (assuming you are located within the area of the map on the microSD). (If you are not located within the map on the microSD, and the GPS comes with a preloaded basemap that covers your location, the location marker will show where you are on the basemap.) (Note: some mapping GPSs will allow you to load a map directly into the GPS without needing a microSD.) You can use the upper 2 buttons on the left side of the GPS (Garmin HCx at least) to zoom in or out and when the GPS is turned off and back on, it comes back on displaying the last map size you previously selected. As you walk, with the GPS on, the locator indicating where you are on the map changes accordingly.I have been told that if you load a large map area into your GPS, it will be a little slower to work with than if you had loaded in a smaller map area.Something that I wish my GPS manual had mentioned is that when using the zoom in/out feature, where you locate your pointer on the map on your screen, using the "rocker" (on a Garmin HCx at least), determines the area that will be focused on for zooming. (I am referring here to a pointer that you can move around, not to what I call the location marker that shows where you are located on the map.) For example, if you located the pointer in the lower right corner of the map that is being displayed, then zoom in or out, that lower right corner is what will be centered and focused on. (It took me awhile to learn this. When I zoomed in and out with a map on my GPS screen it was confusing to see the map areas shift around so much. It made it almost impossible to focus on a specific area. Finally I realized this related to where I had the pointer.) To find a map on the microSD that is loaded into the GPS that covers an area within which you are not located: For example, if you have a topo map of SE Utah in the GPS that you want to look at, and you are in California……when you turn on the GPS and the map page appears, it will show where you are in California (if your location is on the GPS pre-loaded basemap). With the Utah map properly selected in your map menu options, you can zoom out more and more until you can see an outline of the states. Then you can use the rocker to move over to Utah. From there use the pointer/rocker and the zoom feature to find the map area you for which you are looking. Two other ways to do this that were suggested by Garmen Tech Support: (1) You can "turn off satellites and relocate the GPS position to an area within the detailed map segment. To do this, go to the Satellite Page > Menu Button > Use with GPS Off > Menu Button (again) > New Location > Use Map > Use the click-stick (rocker) to pan to the area where you know there is detailed map coverage > Press Enter (the click-stick). Now the device believes you are in this area and you can zoom in and out to see the detail." (2) An easy way to find a distant map area in the future is to place a waypoint there in the GPS, then you can locate the waypoint in the "Find" menu, bring up the data on the waypoint, and select "view on map" [or, with my GPS, just "map"] to show that map area on the screen.MAPSOURCE VS BASECAMP; MAPSOURCE INSTEAD OF BASECAMPSince beginning to study BaseCamp I have downloaded MapSource for use with a map CD that covers Utah, and explored MapSource some. MapSource is more user-friendly and it is easier to figure out how to use most of its aspects without a manual than is the case for BaseCamp. Unlike MapSource, BaseCamp prints out maps with UTMs, which is really nice. On the computer screen (and printed map), BaseCamp shows you a small map in the corner of the screen or page which gives you an idea of where the map area you have selected is at is in relation to a larger area. A printed BaseCamp map also shows you true north and gives you the geographic area's declination. I am sure BaseCamp has other advantages as well. (Unlike BaseCamp, MapSource comes with a user's manual, although I still had to figure out some things it does not discuss.) Both programs print out maps that have a distance scale. One neat thing I discovered about a Garmin BaseCamp DVD map is that if you have a current version of MapSource (which can be downloaded from garmin.com), you can work with the map with either MapSource or BaseCamp. (In the toolbar section of the MapSource screen, in the upper left corner, to the left of the "+"and "-" zoom features, is a little field for selecting maps that have been loaded onto the computer.) If you want to use the simplicity (and user's manual!) of MapSource, it is nice to have the option to do so.

Comments about Garmin Topo U.S. 24K DVD - Southwest:

I use map and compass or GPS for backcountry skiing, ski mountaineering 2-4 days per week in the winter, and about the same in the summer for hiking and mountaineering. I have the Garmin Oregon 300 GPS and find that it is a useful tool to find you way in certain situations. For instance, recently I needed to retrace my route above treeline in whiteout conditions. The GPS helped me to avoid cliffs and avalanche terrain when I was unable to see. It's also helpful to find your vehicle in the forest at the end of a hard day's crosscountry adventure. I recently purchased this software for my GPS and computer and will be returning it soon. It is a waste of money. There is a serious flaw with this software, it doesn't show the land features a normal topo map shows, such as: forests, avalanche paths, clearings, timberline, permanent snowfields, glaciers, cliffs, buildings, mines, swamps and other land features that are critical to normal routefinding. As far as I know there are no GPS maps that have such critical information. So your best bet is to purchase National Geographic's TOPO software for your computer, which, by the way, has all the above features. Unfortunatly, it cannot be uploaded into the Garmin GPS, although it works well with the device in planning and saving tracks, routes etc. You can get free maps for the GPS which are about the same quality as this one at [@]Please join me in letting Garmin know that this inferior product should be upgraded to include the crucial land features that topo maps have always had.

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Even though I have included one "con" I'm still giving this product a five star. Call me old fashion, but I enjoy having the ability of looking at a "how to" book and the screen at the same time in order to figure out new computer programs. This program does not come with an instruction manual. You must teach yourself using the "help" function. I do have to say, the program was easy to learn, even without the booklet.

I've been using Mapsource Topo US for about the past 5 years. I have the GPS Map 76C, so I wanted color to go along with my color screen.

The graphics on Mapsource were awful. The maps actually looked like they had been drawn in with crayons. The accuracy of the trails for the most part were just as bad as the graphics. Sometimes, I'd be standing on the trail and the mapsource program would show me off by 1/4 mile and even more on occasion in the south Sierras. And I know the trail had never moved from its original position.

With the 24K Southwest, I can now disappear into the woods and go bushwhacking off trail for a while without having a problem relocating the trail when I decide to come back to the living. Its graphics are excellent. It also shows many more objects than the original Mapsource Topo. In fact, the first time I used this program, I was able to locate a large beaver pond that I had walked past at least 20 times before without ever knowing it was there, because the Mapsource didn't show it and the new 24K did.

There are so many more added bonuses available on this program than their were on Mapsource. I do quite a bit of long distance, weeklong hikes and appreciate the ability to see the actual elevation gain/loss prior to going on those hikes. Really helps me to plan in advance.

A great product.

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I have been using Garmin products since the GPS system became available to civilians. This is the best mapping product that I have ever used. The inaccuracy problems of the 100K maps have been eliminated. I tested this product in Rocky Mountain National Park and western Boulder County. I hiked up Twin Sisters Peak (7.4 miles RT, 2338 ft gain), once with the 2009 version of the 100K software and again with this software. With the 100K, I was usually located 300 to 500 feet off of the trail. With 24K software, I was shown to be within a few feet of the trail for the entire hike (both hikes were in May 2009 and both days had good satellite geometry). The trails and roads are up to date unlike other maps which are as much as 50 years out of date. Many trails which were missing on previous maps are now shown accurately. There are a few errors, but nothing like the previous maps. I have not tried urban navigating, but based on the detail provided by this software, I think that it should work well (depending on the GPS model used). Bottom line: if the 24K software is available for your area, buy it, and, as always, carry a map and compass for backup.

Comments about Garmin Topo U.S. 24K DVD - Southwest:

i love this software. i ahve a map60csx unit and am an avid backpacker. i previously bought the mountain south sd card 24k topo, and had trouble with it. although the interface on the gps is the same as the dvd the sd card does not allow you to plan trips easily. it takes way to long to navigate throughthe topo maps on your unit. what you need is the ability to access everything on your computer and then transfer to your unit. and that is what the dvd offers. loaded with every peak and trails, wilderness, roads and also what a lot of poeple dont know is it navigates though streets and nieghborhoods. so you can navigate to your traihead. i love this software.